Why I Am Boycotting Eminem.
DanGunn
local meat-packing factory I like to spend some of my hard earned cash
on ways to relax after a long day on the slaughter floor. Unlike many
kids my age I choose to abstain from drugs and alcohol; occasionally
taking a girlfriend or two out for a soda to fulfill any hedonistic
desires a normal full blooded American boy might have. Apart from
that vice, I love music. All types of music. Bluegrass, rock, and
even rap. The other day at Wal-Mart, with my friend Anna Cottonwheel,
I left her alone in the women's underwear section, and checked out the
new CDs for sale, and picked up the latest effort by shock-rapper
Eminem. Now, I must confess I have never bought an Eminem CD before,
only hearing his music in the hallways of my dorm room at school;
simply enjoying it for the sound. It was only later in the early
morning did I get to listen to the CD, after Anna reluctantly agreed
to go at home (I had to get up early for Church the next day). I must
say that Eminem's new CD is shocking, disrespectful to his
predecessors, and subversive to American values! If you have the CD –
or maybe your own son or daughter does – go take a very close listen
to it, to the lyrics, use headphones if you have to; you must hear
what this guy is saying!!
I mentioned before that I was a fan of all types of music, including
rap. Being a white rapper, Eminem makes fun of people that created
the inroads for him, for his success. Where would he be without
Vanilla Ice, or Snow? I listened to these pioneers way back in the
early 90's, just as I'm sure Eminem did, and consider them to be
immense contributors to the medium. But Eminem is ready to slag on
Vanilla Ice like he didn't do anything. Come on!
To my amazement Eminem puts his own daughter, Hallie, on the CD,
starting the song off by having his little girl discover him snorting
cocaine! The CD itself is littered with references to his wife and
how he wants to kill her and keep her away from seeing Hallie. In the
song where his daughter Hallie provides part of the chorus, the lyrics
are horrible:
"Tell Laura and her husband to back off
Before I push this motherf@cking button and blast off
And launch one of these Russians, and that's all
[Hailie Makes Explosion Sound]
Blow every f@cking thing, except Afghanistan on the map, off
We wanna stop, we wanna knock the crap off."
This is absolutely horrible language, and content, for a little girl
to be hearing, and is a horrible way to exploit your children to make
money. I'm not sure what judge gave him the rights to his daughter,
but it's obvious to me Hallie should be with his mother, away from the
drugs, violence, and sexual infidelity that Eminem is constantly
singing about!
Most importantly Eminem is un-patriotic telling his fans that he is
"no friend of Bush" and is set on "ambushing the Bush administration",
just like the liberals in America, and those abroad whom I won't
mention. What he had to say next was even more shocking:
"All this terror America demands action,
Next thing you know you've got Uncle Sam's ass askin'
To join the army or what you'll do for there Navy.
You just a baby,
Gettin' recruited at eighteen,
You're on a plane now,
Eatin their food and their baked beans.
I'm 28 ,
They gon take you 'fore they take me
Crazy insane or insane crazy?"
Eminem is telling his millions of fans to reject an American response
to terrorism. His is an enemy of the War on Terror! This misguided
rejection of America's war decisions, has happened before with
Vietnam, with the War on Communism, we don't need this to happen
again. When American's backs are against a wall we shouldn't turn and
run to Canada, or burn our draft cards, but defend what makes this
country the best in the world! And to think that this is the best
selling CD in our nation!
A spectre is haunting America--the spectre of our Fore Fathers. All
the Powers of the Liberal Left and the media are converging together
to destroy it; to destroy what the Founding Father's set out to
create; the greatest nation in the world! These are the reasons I am
boycotting Eminem, and I encourage other people who agree with me to
do the same! I will be submitting a revised copy of this text to my
school newspaper when I return in the fall, and encourage anyone else
to do the same, in their own words or in mine.
Yours truly,
Daniel Gunn.
mme...@steinbeck.ucs.indiana.edu
DanGunn <dan_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> [much tediousness]
You know, those of us with a modicum of taste have been boycotting
Emimem since the very beginning by not doing anything to acknowledge
his existence, let alone listening to his music...
--Mark
--
Mark Meiss (mme...@indiana.edu) 812/855-1878 / Disciple of Loki and
http://steinbeck.uits.indiana.edu/~mmeiss/ / Fomenter of Entropy
Researcher, Advanced Network Management Lab /-----------------------------
Wanna-be Author of Novels and Short Fiction / What fools these normals be.
bozak
endus
>I mentioned before that I was a fan of all types of music, including
>rap. Being a white rapper, Eminem makes fun of people that created
>the inroads for him, for his success. Where would he be without
>Vanilla Ice, or Snow? I listened to these pioneers way back in the
>early 90's, just as I'm sure Eminem did, and consider them to be
>immense contributors to the medium. But Eminem is ready to slag on
>Vanilla Ice like he didn't do anything. Come on!
>To my amazement Eminem puts his own daughter, Hallie, on the CD,
This is the funniest troll I have read in a LONG time.
>Eminem is telling his millions of fans to reject an American response
>to terrorism. His is an enemy of the War on Terror! This misguided
>rejection of America's war decisions, has happened before with
>Vietnam, with the War on Communism, we don't need this to happen
>again. When American's backs are against a wall we shouldn't turn and
>run to Canada, or burn our draft cards, but defend what makes this
>country the best in the world! And to think that this is the best
>selling CD in our nation!
This is just ridiculous, the Snow and Vanilla ice thing was funny, but
this is too ridiculous...the troll falls apart here.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ www.endus.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Here's what you're history books won't show
You're a dead man for fuckin' with American dough
-Mr. Lif
bozak
"endus" <do...@email.invalid> wrote in message
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> On 1 Jul 2002 14:13:49 -0700, dan_...@hotmail.com (DanGunn) wrote:
>
>
> >I mentioned before that I was a fan of all types of music, including
> >rap. Being a white rapper, Eminem makes fun of people that created
> >the inroads for him, for his success. Where would he be without
> >Vanilla Ice, or Snow? I listened to these pioneers way back in the
> >early 90's, just as I'm sure Eminem did, and consider them to be
> >immense contributors to the medium. But Eminem is ready to slag on
> >Vanilla Ice like he didn't do anything. Come on!
> >To my amazement Eminem puts his own daughter, Hallie, on the CD,
>
> This is the funniest troll I have read in a LONG time.
>
> >Eminem is telling his millions of fans to reject an American response
> >to terrorism. His is an enemy of the War on Terror! This misguided
> >rejection of America's war decisions, has happened before with
> >Vietnam, with the War on Communism, we don't need this to happen
> >again. When American's backs are against a wall we shouldn't turn and
> >run to Canada, or burn our draft cards, but defend what makes this
> >country the best in the world! And to think that this is the best
> >selling CD in our nation!
>
> This is just ridiculous, the Snow and Vanilla ice thing was funny, but
> this is too ridiculous...the troll falls apart here.
which is why i told dan gunn to pull the trigger...
News From Reality
That's what you get when you take a brilliant child and raise him in a
world of hypocrisy.
"DanGunn" <dan_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I am young college student home for the summer. With a job at the
> local meat-packing factory I like to spend some of my hard earned cash
> on ways to relax after a long day on the slaughter floor. Unlike many
> kids my age I choose to abstain from drugs and alcohol; occasionally
> taking a girlfriend or two out for a soda to fulfill any hedonistic
> desires a normal full blooded American boy might have. Apart from
> that vice, I love music. All types of music. Bluegrass, rock, and
> even rap. The other day at Wal-Mart, with my friend Anna Cottonwheel,
> I left her alone in the women's underwear section, and checked out the
> new CDs for sale, and picked up the latest effort by shock-rapper
> Eminem. Now, I must confess I have never bought an Eminem CD before,
> only hearing his music in the hallways of my dorm room at school;
> simply enjoying it for the sound. It was only later in the early
> morning did I get to listen to the CD, after Anna reluctantly agreed
> to go at home (I had to get up early for Church the next day). I must
> say that Eminem's new CD is shocking, disrespectful to his
> predecessors, and subversive to American values! If you have the CD -
> or maybe your own son or daughter does - go take a very close listen
Monks2012
Laura newsgroups? Fuckin' conservatives, taking shit too seriously and
missing the big point. BTW, the Vanilla Ice/Snow thing had me crackin' up,
as well.
And another thing...what Wal-mart did he pick the CD up at? They don't sell
music with "naughty" language.
You tell him, Bozak...
" bozak" <bo...@email.com> wrote in message
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BSE or Merv Yaboddi
FUCK ME DANIEL!
WHAT A FREE THINKING ARSEHOLE!!!
BSE
--
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http://www.samurai-lounge.co.uk - Hiphop every Wednesday @ THE END
To reply remove "thepillowfromyourheadandputabookinit"
B o b b y
B o b b y
Jim Nihil
B o b b y....you nailed it....
its so weird to actually see people who think for themselves. Especially on
message boards.
much respect
===================================
Jim Nihil
[http://www.syrynge.8m.com]
And the angels wouldn't help you...
because they've all gone away- Laura Palmer...Twin Peaks:Fire Walk With Me
Andy Howard
Andy Howard
Also watch out for K-mart, they're like Wal Mart: too tight-ass
"Monks2012" <n...@email.address> wrote in message
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Smadam007
>early 90's, just as I'm sure Eminem did, and consider them to be
>immense contributors to the medium. But Eminem is ready to slag on
>Vanilla Ice like he didn't do anything. Come on!
Vanilla Ice didn't do anything. He was exposed for the suburban fraud he was
and his career fell apart. I have nothing against snow, but to quote you,
"Come on!". Find me a white rapper who was taken seriously in the rap world
before Eminem. I dare you.
> I'm not sure what judge gave him the rights to his daughter, but it's obvious
to me Hallie should be with his mother, away from the
>drugs, violence, and sexual infidelity that Eminem is constantly
>singing about!
Give a good listen to "Cleaning out my closet" and you'll see why his mother
serves no earthly purpose. Read Em's interview in Rolling Stone and you'll see
that he's not a mirror reflection of his lyrics. If all rappers did what they
sang about, they'd all be dead. Hell, if country singers have as many
relationships as they sing about, they'd all have STDs. "Music is reflection
of self. We just explain and then we get our checks in the mail."
>Most importantly Eminem is un-patriotic telling his fans that he is
>"no friend of Bush" and is set on "ambushing the Bush administration",
That's a crime? A bad value to teach our kids? Not everyone has to be
patriotic. In fact, it's bad to demand loyalty. Would you have wanted to live
in the USSR? By the way, Bush snorted coke. Do you think his daughters know?
>Eminem is telling his millions of fans to reject an American response
>to terrorism. His is an enemy of the War on Terror! This misguided
>rejection of America's war decisions, has happened before with
>Vietnam, with the War on Communism,
It's the mark of a great artist, when he can integrate the current
sociopolitical situations into his music. Many of the great bands of years
past were able to capture the feeling of the moment.
Chris Arnold
>From: "Andy Howard" andy...@texas.net
>Date: 7/2/02 8:43 AM Central Daylight Time
>Message-id: <3d21a...@newsa.ev1.net>
>
>yeah most likely, they sell a "clean" version of it.
>
>Also watch out for K-mart, they're like Wal Mart: too tight-ass
K Mart sells explicit language cd's now. At least they do here. They have for
at least the last 6-7 months. It seems like now that only Wal Mart sells clean
versions only.
"I'm here to chew bubble gum & kick ass and I'm all out of bubble gum" Roddy
Piper in They Live
Andy Howard
he got the clean version, maybe it's just Texas
BTW where is "here"?
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Bobby Dean
mme...@steinbeck.ucs.indiana.edu at mme...@steinbeck.ucs.indiana.edu wrote
on 7/1/02 2:15 PM:
>
> You know, those of us with a modicum of taste have been boycotting
> Emimem since the very beginning by not doing anything to acknowledge
> his existence, let alone listening to his music...
>
> --Mark
Eminem's writing is no less brilliant or more sick or than that of Stephen
King or Edgar Allan Poe. Eminem has a gift. His economy with words is
uncanny. Not listening to someone because you disagree with what you THINK
they are saying is a very childish and counter-productive approach.
Listen to "Stan". Who can you cite that can convey a story that complex in
less than seven minutes? You had better get used to Eminem because he will
be a literary force to be reckoned with for decades to come. Just wait and
see.
--
Bobby Dean
www.mp3.com/bobbydean
BSE or Merv Yaboddi
<roxv...@workmail.com> wrote:
Is anyone who contributes to this thread gonna be anything but way of the
mark in either direction?
Hes a perfectly good rapper with an annoying voice and a very saleable
image. He is bigger than countless similar rappers who came before him
because he is white. THE END.
Dumness.
Spirit, some people hear it some people fear, some people just wont go near it!
Chris Arnold
>Message-id: <3d223325$1...@newsa.ev1.net>
>
>well, my cousin tried to get Limp Bizkit's "Significant Other" CD turned out
>he got the clean version, maybe it's just Texas
>
>BTW where is "here"?
Oh, sorry man. I'm in Sioux Falls, SD
Franco Macalousso
listen to blackrap gets my vote, anytime
Just keep listening and feeding them kitties. We be joyous about it all, ya
hear? We jess love it.
"Bobby Dean" <roxv...@workmail.com> wrote in message
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mme...@steinbeck.ucs.indiana.edu
>King or Edgar Allan Poe.
King on a bad day -- say, _Insomnia_ or _Tommyknockers_ -- perhaps.
Poe? No. It's a poor joke even to suggest.
>Eminem has a gift.
A generous parole board is a precious thing, yes.
>His economy with words is uncanny.
You're very easily uncanned.
>Not listening to someone because you disagree with what you THINK
>they are saying is a very childish and counter-productive approach.
If I'm standing next to Eminem in a line-up, I can guarantee you that
I'm not the one of us two who's going to be singled out as being
childish and counter-productive. Why do you find it so
counter-productive to label shit as shit?
>Listen to "Stan". Who can you cite that can convey a story that complex in
>less than seven minutes?
Lou Reed, Neil Peart, Kris Kristoffersen, Billy Joel, and Ronnie Van
Zant leap to mind after a few seconds of thought.
>You had better get used to Eminem because he will
>be a literary force to be reckoned with for decades to come. Just wait and
>see.
He'll choke to death on his own vomit long before then.
B o b b y
BSE or Merv Yaboddi
mme...@steinbeck.ucs.indiana.edu wrote:
> Lou Reed, Neil Peart, Kris Kristoffersen, Billy Joel, and Ronnie Van
> Zant leap to mind after a few seconds of thought.
Kris Kristoffersen.
heh.
heheh.
Bobby Dean
mme...@steinbeck.ucs.indiana.edu at mme...@steinbeck.ucs.indiana.edu wrote
on 7/2/02 10:13 PM:
> In article <B947C7DC.30E1%roxv...@workmail.com>,
> Bobby Dean <roxv...@workmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Eminem's writing is no less brilliant or more sick or than that of Stephen
>> King or Edgar Allan Poe.
>
> King on a bad day -- say, _Insomnia_ or _Tommyknockers_ -- perhaps.
> Poe? No. It's a poor joke even to suggest.
>
>> Eminem has a gift.
>
> A generous parole board is a precious thing, yes.
>
>> His economy with words is uncanny.
>
> You're very easily uncanned.
Wow, you really got me with that one! What are you doing in Indiana? You
should be in Las Vegas opening for Bill Cosby. Or hell, with material like
that he should be opening for you!
>
>> Not listening to someone because you disagree with what you THINK
>> they are saying is a very childish and counter-productive approach.
>
> If I'm standing next to Eminem in a line-up, I can guarantee you that
> I'm not the one of us two who's going to be singled out as being
> childish and counter-productive. Why do you find it so
> counter-productive to label shit as shit?
You can label it whatever you want but if you haven't listened to it you
have no credibility. My rule is three listens before I ever judge anyone's
music. After the first two I still hated Eminem, but the third one hooked
me.
>
>> Listen to "Stan". Who can you cite that can convey a story that complex in
>> less than seven minutes?
>
> Lou Reed, Neil Peart, Kris Kristoffersen, Billy Joel, and Ronnie Van
> Zant leap to mind after a few seconds of thought.
Have you ever heard the song? Judging by this list, you appear to be stuck
in the 70's. Lynyrd Skynyrd? There's some eloquent songwriting..."Two
feets they come a creeping, like a black cat do." Or how about "ooooh that
smell, cantcha smell that smell?". The smell is Lynyrd Skynyrd. Put away
your 8-tracks for a while and join us in this century. Even if you don't
like rap (I generally don't either) there are plenty of good songwriters out
there. Try a little Steve Earle or John Mayer or John McCutcheon.
>> You had better get used to Eminem because he will
>> be a literary force to be reckoned with for decades to come. Just wait and
>> see.
>
> He'll choke to death on his own vomit long before then.
His sales would quadruple overnight. Look what death did for Lynyrd Skynyrd
or the Doors.
--
Bobby Dean
www.mp3.com/bobbydean
mme...@steinbeck.ucs.indiana.edu
BSE or Merv Yaboddi <b...@thepillowfromyourheadandputabookinitukseen.com> wrote:
>In article <afu15j$1nc$1...@steinbeck.ucs.indiana.edu>,
>mme...@steinbeck.ucs.indiana.edu wrote:
>
>> Lou Reed, Neil Peart, Kris Kristoffersen, Billy Joel, and Ronnie Van
>> Zant leap to mind after a few seconds of thought.
>
>
>Kris Kristoffersen.
>
>heh.
>
>heheh.
I'm not a big fan myself, but the man has released over 25 albums and
almost half a dozen song-of-the-year awards. The original poster was
talking about Eminem's "uncanny economy of words" that allowed him to
fit "Stan" inside seven minutes. "Me and Bobby McGee" fits inside
three.
mme...@steinbeck.ucs.indiana.edu
Bobby Dean <roxv...@workmail.com> wrote:
>
>You can label it whatever you want but if you haven't listened to it you
>have no credibility. My rule is three listens before I ever judge anyone's
>music. After the first two I still hated Eminem, but the third one hooked
>me.
Why do you assume that I haven't listened to it? If I hadn't, I
wouldn't be opening my mouth.
>Have you ever heard the song? Judging by this list, you appear to be stuck
>in the 70's. Lynyrd Skynyrd? There's some eloquent songwriting..."Two
>feets they come a creeping, like a black cat do." Or how about "ooooh that
>smell, cantcha smell that smell?". The smell is Lynyrd Skynyrd. Put away
>your 8-tracks for a while and join us in this century. Even if you don't
>like rap (I generally don't either) there are plenty of good songwriters out
>there. Try a little Steve Earle or John Mayer or John McCutcheon.
It's not my fault that songwriting was generally of a higher standard
in the 1970s than it is today. And no, I'm not saying it because I'm
a fossil -- I was born in the 1970s. "The Ballad of Curtis Lowe" is
still better songwriting than "Stan".
>His sales would quadruple overnight. Look what death did for Lynyrd Skynyrd
>or the Doors.
Probably they would. Look at the godawful shit that moves copies out
the door -- or do you think that the likes of Britney Spears and
Backstreet Boys aren't purely corporate inventions, just like Eminem's
faux rebellion?
gk
news:afv5sj$2cf$1...@steinbeck.ucs.indiana.edu...
> In article
<bse-020602...@host213-122-97-94.in-addr.btopenworld.com>,
> BSE or Merv Yaboddi <b...@thepillowfromyourheadandputabookinitukseen.com>
wrote:
> >In article <afu15j$1nc$1...@steinbeck.ucs.indiana.edu>,
> >mme...@steinbeck.ucs.indiana.edu wrote:
> >
> >> Lou Reed, Neil Peart, Kris Kristoffersen, Billy Joel, and Ronnie Van
> >> Zant leap to mind after a few seconds of thought.
> >
> >
> >Kris Kristoffersen.
> >
> >heh.
> >
> >heheh.
>
> I'm not a big fan myself, but the man has released over 25 albums and
> almost half a dozen song-of-the-year awards. The original poster was
> talking about Eminem's "uncanny economy of words" that allowed him to
> fit "Stan" inside seven minutes. "Me and Bobby McGee" fits inside
> three.
Well, Eminem's contribution to "Stan" would probably only take about three
minutes. The rest (And anything that could really be considered music) is
sampled from Dido's song "Thank You".
cmartin
mme...@steinbeck.ucs.indiana.edu says...
>
>In article <B947C7DC.30E1%roxv...@workmail.com>,
>Bobby Dean <roxv...@workmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Eminem's writing is no less brilliant or more sick or than that of Stephen
>>King or Edgar Allan Poe.
>
>King on a bad day -- say, _Insomnia_ or _Tommyknockers_ -- perhaps.
>Poe? No. It's a poor joke even to suggest.
>
>>Eminem has a gift.
>
>A generous parole board is a precious thing, yes.
>
>>His economy with words is uncanny.
>
>You're very easily uncanned.
>
>>Not listening to someone because you disagree with what you THINK
>>they are saying is a very childish and counter-productive approach.
>
>If I'm standing next to Eminem in a line-up, I can guarantee you that
>I'm not the one of us two who's going to be singled out as being
>childish and counter-productive. Why do you find it so
>counter-productive to label shit as shit?
>
>>Listen to "Stan". Who can you cite that can convey a story that complex in
>>less than seven minutes?
>
>Lou Reed, Neil Peart, Kris Kristoffersen, Billy Joel, and Ronnie Van
>Zant leap to mind after a few seconds of thought.
>
>>You had better get used to Eminem because he will
>>be a literary force to be reckoned with for decades to come. Just wait and
>>see.
>
>He'll choke to death on his own vomit long before then.
>
Mark, I love you.
cmartin
Someone else:
>>You had better get used to Eminem because he will
>>be a literary force to be reckoned with for decades to come. Just wait and
>>see.
>
>He'll choke to death on his own vomit long before then.
>
I feel compelled to add that it would be even better if he choked on someone
else's vomit.
mdl
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Kris Kristoffersen wrote the following:
The world keeps right on turning for the better or the worse
All I'll ever get is older and around.
and
Shandy was somebody's daughter
Drivin' to something insane
Busted her crossing the border
Swift as a whiff of cocaine
All she could pay was attention
So all he could take was her time
Proving an ounce of possession
Ain't worth a piece of your mind
and
I see you standing there stunned in the spotlight
I feel the sweat streak the pain on your face
You're lost like a clown in a circle of strangers
Who do you screw to get out of this place.
It shows wit, education and facility with words and concepts.
This is what you are offering up as Eminem's gift . . .
"Stan"
(feat. Dido)
[Chorus: Dido]
My tea's gone cold I'm wondering why I..
got out of bed at all
The morning rain clouds up my window..
and I can't see at all
And even if I could it'll all be gray,
but your picture on my wall
It reminds me, that it's not so bad,
it's not so bad..
[1st Chorus: volume gradually grows over raindrop background]
[2nd Chorus: full volume with beat right after "thunder" noise]
[Eminem as 'Stan']
Dear Slim, I wrote but you still ain't callin
I left my cell, my pager, and my home phone at the bottom
I sent two letters back in autumn, you must not-a got 'em
There probably was a problem at the post office or somethin
Sometimes I scribble addresses too sloppy when I jot 'em
but anyways; fuck it, what's been up? Man how's your daughter?
My girlfriend's pregnant too, I'm bout to be a father
If I have a daughter, guess what I'ma call her?
I'ma name her Bonnie
I read about your Uncle Ronnie too I'm sorry
I had a friend kill himself over some bitch who didn't want him
I know you probably hear this everyday, but I'm your biggest fan
I even got the underground shit that you did with Skam
I got a room full of your posters and your pictures man
I like the shit you did with Rawkus too, that shit was fat
Anyways, I hope you get this man, hit me back,
just to chat, truly yours, your biggest fan
This is Stan . . .
It rhymes.
--
mdl
I am the cat that walks by itself.
And all places are alike to me.
Bobby Dean
> In article <B9488760.3107%roxv...@workmail.com>,
> Bobby Dean <roxv...@workmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >You can label it whatever you want but if you haven't listened to it you
> >have no credibility. My rule is three listens before I ever judge anyone's
> >music. After the first two I still hated Eminem, but the third one hooked
> >me.
>
> Why do you assume that I haven't listened to it?
Because you said...
"You know, those of us with a modicum of taste have been boycotting
Emimem since the very beginning by not doing anything to acknowledge
his existence, let alone listening to his music..."
>If I hadn't, I
> wouldn't be opening my mouth.
Which is it? Do you listen or not?
>
> >Have you ever heard the song? Judging by this list, you appear to be stuck
> >in the 70's. Lynyrd Skynyrd? There's some eloquent songwriting..."Two
> >feets they come a creeping, like a black cat do." Or how about "ooooh that
> >smell, cantcha smell that smell?". The smell is Lynyrd Skynyrd. Put away
> >your 8-tracks for a while and join us in this century. Even if you don't
> >like rap (I generally don't either) there are plenty of good songwriters out
> >there. Try a little Steve Earle or John Mayer or John McCutcheon.
>
> It's not my fault that songwriting was generally of a higher standard
> in the 1970s than it is today.
I disagree. But thanks to folks like Clear Channel and the big six
record labels, we can no longer hear the good stuff in the same places
we used to. The standard of songwriting hasn't lowered so much as the
standards of mass media.
>And no, I'm not saying it because I'm
> a fossil -- I was born in the 1970s. "The Ballad of Curtis Lowe" is
> still better songwriting than "Stan".
Here is the story line for "The Ballad of Curtis Loew"-
A kid gets up early in the morning to gather soda bottles which he
cashes in to pay to listen to an old black man named Curtis Loew play
the blues on a dobro. Loew got drunk when he played for the kid.
The kid's mother beat him for going to hear Loew but he would go
anyway and stomp his "feets" and clap his hands.
Curtis Loew dies and nobody comes to the funeral. People said Loew
was useless but he was really the finest picker to ever play the
blues.
Now here is the story line for "Stan"-
A kid named Stan writes a fan letter to his hero, a pop star named
Slim. This is the third time he has written to Slim but has never
received a reply. Stan dismisses this saying it must be his own fault
somehow. His devotion to Slim is undaunted. Slim has a daughter and
Stan identifies with him because his own girlfriend is pregnant. Stan
stresses to Slim that he is one of his biggest fans.
Stan writes Slim a fourth letter, this time expressing frustration
over the lack of a response from the star. Stan tells the story of
waiting outside in the cold for four hours with his six year old
brother Matthew in the hope of getting Slim's autograph but Slim
refuses. Stan's disillusionment with slim is becoming apparent but
he still identifies strongly with Slim because he comes from a
dysfunctional family similar to ones described in some of Slim's
songs. Stan begins to show signs of mental illness such as an
obsession with Slim and incidences of self mutilation. But he still
finds solace in Slim's music.
Six months pass and Slim still doesn't reply to Stan's letters. Stan
snaps and drinks a bottle of vodka and takes downers. He goes on a
rampage and locks his girlfriend in the trunk of his car and gets on
the freeway. He dictates into a cassette recorder his fifth letter to
Slim. Stan's mental illness manifests itself in intense anger
directed at Slim. Stan suddenly realizes that he has no way to
deliver the cassette to Slim if he kills himself. The listener
doesn't know whether or not Stan wishes to end his rampage because he
loses control of his car and drives off of a bridge.
Now here comes my favorite part, Eminem switches perspective and
begins writing as Slim. He is writing to Stan to apologize for not
having written sooner. He inquires about Stan's girlfriend's
pregnancy and autographs a Starter cap for Matthew. He expresses
concern over Stan's propensity for self mutilation and stresses to him
that he shouldn't take Slim's lyrics literally. He encourages Stan to
get counseling and to stick it out with his girlfriend. In an effort
to illustrate to Stan how crazy some people can get, Slim begins
relating a story he had heard on the news about a drunk kid who drove
off a bridge with his pregnant girlfriend in the trunk. Then he
suddenly has the revelation that the kid was actually Stan.
As you can see, "Stan" is clearly the more complex of the two stories.
>
> >His sales would quadruple overnight. Look what death did for Lynyrd Skynyrd
> >or the Doors.
>
> Probably they would. Look at the godawful shit that moves copies out
> the door -- or do you think that the likes of Britney Spears and
> Backstreet Boys aren't purely corporate inventions, just like Eminem's
> faux rebellion?
I recognize Britney Spears and the Backstreet Boys for what they are.
Why cloud the discussion by dragging them into it?
BSE or Merv Yaboddi
<mont...@aol.com> wrote:
No not I but someone else, I am merely having fun laughing at kris
kristoffersen.
mme...@steinbeck.ucs.indiana.edu
I am not necessarily one of those with a modicum of good taste. I'm
also often subjected to one of his edited-for-radio songs when I'm
exercising at the Y.
>I disagree. But thanks to folks like Clear Channel and the big six
>record labels, we can no longer hear the good stuff in the same places
>we used to. The standard of songwriting hasn't lowered so much as the
>standards of mass media.
I don't think that we've ever had a time when the best writing of all
wasn't happening somewhere quietly in the sidelines, only to be
appreciated by only a few or discovered long after the fact. I won't
argue against the notion that the very best stuff is on indie labels
and not played on the radio. (Though why Eminem, as a corporate
invention, appeals to you, is even more puzzling now.)
>As you can see, "Stan" is clearly the more complex of the two stories.
Especially when you make a concerted effort to use more words, huh?
If complexity were the measure of art, James Joyce and Henry James
would be more beloved to readers than John Steinbeck and Mark Twain.
We'd all much prefer Hans Holbein to Vincent Van Gogh. I don't buy
it.
>I recognize Britney Spears and the Backstreet Boys for what they are.
>Why cloud the discussion by dragging them into it?
Just because, while they differ in "naughtiness level", they're
still market-researched products of the same machine.
Sir Zeus
> kids my age I choose to abstain from drugs and alcohol; occasionally
> taking a girlfriend or two out for a soda to fulfill any hedonistic
> desires a normal full blooded American boy might have.
Awww, aren't you sweet...
> The other day at Wal-Mart, with my friend Anna Cottonwheel,
> I left her alone in the women's underwear section,
I can't believe I just spent 5 minutes laughing at this sentence, hehehe.
That shit's funny. Keywords: Wal-Mart, Anna Cottonwheel, women's underwear
section.
> and checked out the
> new CDs for sale, and picked up the latest effort by shock-rapper Eminem.
I think Eminem has established himself as much more than just a
"shock-rapper". He's a brilliant rapper/artist/producer.
> It was only later in the early
> morning did I get to listen to the CD, after Anna reluctantly agreed
> to go at home (I had to get up early for Church the next day).
Ahh okay, a church-going Wal-Mart shopper, I know your kind. And what's with
this?: "after Anna reluctantly agreed to go at home." Go at what? Sex? Did
you pop the Cottonwheel coochie Dan? Hehehe...
> I must
> say that Eminem's new CD is shocking, disrespectful to his
> predecessors, and subversive to American values!
Well first off, you said you were at Wal-Mart, and they only sell the clean
versions. Second, if you did get the real version, did you not notice
"Parental Advisory EXPLICIT CONTENT" on the cover? You seem like the kind of
guy that maybe needs to pay attention to that kind of stuff before
listening. And third: "Eminem's new CD is shocking, disrespectful to his
predecessors, and subversive to American values!" That's just ridiculous
man, get a clue. You obviously didn't really listen to the album, you just
dwelled on the "naughty words."
> If you have the CD -
> or maybe your own son or daughter does - go take a very close listen
> to it, to the lyrics, use headphones if you have to; you must hear
> what this guy is saying!!
Hell yeah! Go jack your kid's Eminem CD, put some headphones on, smoke a fat
joint, and let the words of Marshall Mathers flow through your mind....
> Being a white rapper, Eminem makes fun of people that created
> the inroads for him, for his success. Where would he be without
> Vanilla Ice, or Snow? I listened to these pioneers way back in the
> early 90's, just as I'm sure Eminem did, and consider them to be
> immense contributors to the medium. But Eminem is ready to slag on
> Vanilla Ice like he didn't do anything. Come on!
Give me a fucking break dude, you have gotta be kiddng me. Vanilla Ice
wasn't the pioneer of shit, he was a fucking phony! He was popular for like
a month before people realized how idiotic and fake he was(is). And just to
give an example of his low talent credibility, in the mid-90's he tried to
make a comeback during the gangsta rap craze. He ripped off the style and
tried to make it his own and the results were pretty funny (Hammer did the
same thing). Just because he may have been one of the first white rappers in
the biz doesn't make him any kind of fucking pioneer. Who cares if he was
white or not? Skin doesn't matter, he was a horrible rapper. I think you're
a bit crazy if you're listening to Vanilla Ice for any reason other than to
laugh at it. And I seriously doubt Eminem was into Vanilla Ice. He was into
groups like NWA at that time. Plus, it seems like he has much better taste
in music.
Oh, and you mentioned Snow? The same group that did "Informer" and that
Monday Morning song? Oh wait, you're right, they were white "rappers" (if
you wanna call 'em that) so that automatically makes them legends.
Gotcha....
> To my amazement Eminem puts his own daughter, Hallie, on the CD,
> starting the song off by having his little girl discover him snorting
> cocaine!
Hehehe, I thought it was pretty funny. Lighten up man. Hailie doesn't even
hear that, Eminem has said that he makes clean versions for her to listen
to.
And do you think that shit doesn't happen? Some kid walking in on his/her
parent(s) doing some sort of drug. That shit happens all the time. It's not
like Eminem just made something up just to get a "rise" out of people. That
shit happens, so why debate it and pretend that it doesn't?
> The CD itself is littered with references to his wife and
> how he wants to kill her and keep her away from seeing Hallie.
Some of those songs are very personal and full of emotion, and to the ears
of shallow individuals (such as yourself), it'll come across that he's
plotting to kill his wife for no reason. But if you really listen to the
lyrics, he's saying how, yes, he has wanted to kill his wife out of anger,
but he will never do such a thing since she is still his baby's mother, and
he holds himself back from doing something stupid. And he never once said
that he wouldn't let his wife see Hailie. Kim made the choice that she
didn't want Hailie (He mentions that in the song "My Dad's Gone Crazy"). He
did however say that he would never let his mother see Hailie in "Cleaning
Out My Closet", and I don't blame him one bit.
> This is absolutely horrible language, and content, for a little girl
> to be hearing,
Again, Hailie doesn't hear the real versions of the songs.
> and is a horrible way to exploit your children to make
> money.
What?! You wanna talk about a rapper that exploits his kid to make money?
Fucking Master P, once his career was drifting away, his kid Lil Romeo shows
up and becomes popular with all the 12 year olds. Eminem loves his daughter
and wanted her to be a part of his new album. Simple as that. If you made
music and had a kid you really loved, wouldn't you do the same?
> I'm not sure what judge gave him the rights to his daughter,
> but it's obvious to me Hallie should be with his mother, away from the
> drugs, violence, and sexual infidelity that Eminem is constantly
> singing about!
Eminem has said that he does not expose Hailie to any sex or drugs (Eminem
is not really as violent as you may think guy), since he had to grow up
exposed to that. Kim, on the other hand, is one fucked up bitch and if
Hailie was with her, she would be exposed to all that. You must remember
that Eminem sings about stuff that he thinks about, but knows how fucked up
it is and would never act on it. That's what his Slim Shady persona is all
about.
> Most importantly Eminem is un-patriotic telling his fans that he is
> "no friend of Bush" and is set on "ambushing the Bush administration",
> just like the liberals in America, and those abroad whom I won't
> mention.
What in holy fuck happened to FREE SPEECH!? Isn't that what America
supposedly represents? Free speech and free thinking?
> Eminem is telling his millions of fans to reject an American response
> to terrorism. His is an enemy of the War on Terror! This misguided
> rejection of America's war decisions, has happened before with
> Vietnam, with the War on Communism, we don't need this to happen
> again. When American's backs are against a wall we shouldn't turn and
> run to Canada, or burn our draft cards, but defend what makes this
> country the best in the world!
Just because we're Americans doesn't mean every single person has to believe
in this country. Eminem obviously doesn't believe in this country, and I'm
right along with that.
> And to think that this is the best selling CD in our nation!
Yeah, and one of the very very few top selling CD's that actually deserves
its spot on top of the charts.
> A spectre is haunting America--the spectre of our Fore Fathers. All
> the Powers of the Liberal Left and the media are converging together
> to destroy it; to destroy what the Founding Father's set out to
> create; the greatest nation in the world! These are the reasons I am
> boycotting Eminem, and I encourage other people who agree with me to
> do the same! I will be submitting a revised copy of this text to my
> school newspaper when I return in the fall, and encourage anyone else
> to do the same, in their own words or in mine.
You should go hang out with Bill O'Reilly you close-minded bitch. You two
are perfect for each other.
BTW, "The Eminem Show" isn't really all that dirty compared to his other 2
albums. You should check those ones out, hehehe.
Sir Zeus
>
> heh.
>
> heheh.
Kris Kristofferson is the man! Whenever I'm sitting on the toilet taking a
shit,I always think "man, I need me some Kris Kristofferson right about
now."
Sir Zeus
> also often subjected to one of his edited-for-radio songs when I'm
> exercising at the Y.
Then maybe you should really take a listen to his music before opening your
fucking mouth.
> I don't think that we've ever had a time when the best writing of all
> wasn't happening somewhere quietly in the sidelines, only to be
> appreciated by only a few or discovered long after the fact. I won't
> argue against the notion that the very best stuff is on indie labels
> and not played on the radio.
I actually totally agree with you for the most part. While there's always at
least 1 or 2 bands/groups in the mainstream that are good, most of the best
stuff coming out is indie rock. So take it from me, I'm someone who is very
into indie rock and I also get into 70's prog rock too, Eminem has alot of
talent, but most people who did not grow up with hip-hop are not going to
see that.
> (Though why Eminem, as a corporate
> invention, appeals to you, is even more puzzling now.)
Backstreet Boys, N Sync, Britney Spears, etc. etc. etc., those are all
corporate inventions. If you've ever read anything about Eminem's life, then
you'd know that he went through alot of hardships to get where he's at now.
And unlike all the boy bands, Eminem wasn't chosen by some big fancy record
executive at an audition, he was discovered by Dr. Dre who heard him
freestyling on the radio. Eminem worked hard to get where he's at now.
Kurt Lochner
>
> > Unlike many
> > kids my age I choose to abstain from drugs and alcohol; occasionally
> > taking a girlfriend or two out for a soda to fulfill any hedonistic
> > desires a normal full blooded American boy might have.
>
> Awww, aren't you sweet...
> > The other day at Wal-Mart, with my friend Anna Cottonwheel,
> > I left her alone in the women's underwear section,
>
> I can't believe I just spent 5 minutes laughing at this sentence, hehehe.
> That shit's funny. Keywords: Wal-Mart, Anna Cottonwheel, women's underwear
> section.
Oh man... <wheezing!>
You're a sick man, Sir Zeus.. Keep up the good work..
> > and checked out the
> > new CDs for sale, and picked up the latest effort by shock-rapper Eminem.
>
> I think Eminem has established himself as much more than just a
> "shock-rapper". He's a brilliant rapper/artist/producer.
You know, I really didn't care much for 'rap' when my kids
started listening to it, but you given me pause for that..
> > It was only later in the early
> > morning did I get to listen to the CD, after Anna reluctantly agreed
> > to go at home (I had to get up early for Church the next day).
>
> Ahh okay, a church-going Wal-Mart shopper, I know your kind. And what's with
> this?: "after Anna reluctantly agreed to go at home." Go at what? Sex? Did
> you pop the Cottonwheel coochie Dan? Hehehe...
<LOL!> Truly sick..
> > I must
> > say that Eminem's new CD is shocking, disrespectful to his
> > predecessors, and subversive to American values!
>
> Well first off, you said you were at Wal-Mart, and they only sell the clean
> versions. Second, if you did get the real version, did you not notice
> "Parental Advisory EXPLICIT CONTENT" on the cover? You seem like the kind of
> guy that maybe needs to pay attention to that kind of stuff before
> listening. And third: "Eminem's new CD is shocking, disrespectful to his
> predecessors, and subversive to American values!" That's just ridiculous
> man, get a clue. You obviously didn't really listen to the album, you just
> dwelled on the "naughty words."
I used to, but WTF do I know about music like that?
> > If you have the CD -
> > or maybe your own son or daughter does - go take a very close listen
> > to it, to the lyrics, use headphones if you have to; you must hear
> > what this guy is saying!!
>
> Hell yeah! Go jack your kid's Eminem CD, put some headphones on, smoke a fat
> joint, and let the words of Marshall Mathers flow through your mind....
Sounds like a good idea, just a sec..
[...] 'ere..
> > Being a white rapper, Eminem makes fun of people that created
> > the inroads for him, for his success. Where would he be without
> > Vanilla Ice, or Snow? I listened to these pioneers way back in the
> > early 90's, just as I'm sure Eminem did, and consider them to be
> > immense contributors to the medium. But Eminem is ready to slag on
> > Vanilla Ice like he didn't do anything. Come on!
>
> Give me a fucking break dude, you have gotta be kiddng me. Vanilla Ice
> wasn't the pioneer of shit, he was a fucking phony! He was popular for like
> a month before people realized how idiotic and fake he was(is). And just to
> give an example of his low talent credibility, in the mid-90's he tried to
> make a comeback during the gangsta rap craze. He ripped off the style and
> tried to make it his own and the results were pretty funny (Hammer did the
> same thing). Just because he may have been one of the first white rappers in
> the biz doesn't make him any kind of fucking pioneer. Who cares if he was
> white or not? Skin doesn't matter, he was a horrible rapper. I think you're
> a bit crazy if you're listening to Vanilla Ice for any reason other than to
> laugh at it. And I seriously doubt Eminem was into Vanilla Ice. He was into
> groups like NWA at that time. Plus, it seems like he has much better taste
> in music.
That's what my kids said too. At least they can play keys/samplers.
Still working on the bridge and neck/saddles for the 3/4 upright that
they like to strum (for now).
> Oh, and you mentioned Snow? The same group that did "Informer" and that
> Monday Morning song? Oh wait, you're right, they were white "rappers"
> (if you wanna call 'em that) so that automatically makes them legends.
> Gotcha....
<snurck!> 'ere.. Just to calibrate a response here (none needed,btw)
after being a Crim-head for a few decades, and performing artiste of
known union-local in the middle of Nowhere, it was difficult to accept
my children (4 of 'em) listening to rap. The titles/artists you have
mentioned brought home a realization on this end of the wires..
Music is about expression, free expression, artistic license, even..
That said, while I didn't actually approve the purchase of the
selections you've referred to (above), I find it amusing that
you've said much what I've heard my hatchlings utter after..
That and the "Anna Cottonwheel, women's underwear section" comment,
which I started yukking it up about immediately, what with the so-called
'lily-white conservo-speak' that already has my immediate ire..
> > To my amazement Eminem puts his own daughter, Hallie, on the CD,
> > starting the song off by having his little girl discover him snorting
> > cocaine!
>
> Hehehe, I thought it was pretty funny. Lighten up man. Hailie doesn't even
> hear that, Eminem has said that he makes clean versions for her to listen
> to.
Yeah, now that's a real "Dad", though mine prefer the unexpurgated..
> And do you think that shit doesn't happen? Some kid walking in on his/her
> parent(s) doing some sort of drug. That shit happens all the time. It's not
> like Eminem just made something up just to get a "rise" out of people. That
> shit happens, so why debate it and pretend that it doesn't?
Shhhh!! 'ere..
> > The CD itself is littered with references to his wife and
> > how he wants to kill her and keep her away from seeing Hallie.
>
> Some of those songs are very personal and full of emotion, and to the ears
> of shallow individuals (such as yourself), it'll come across that he's
> plotting to kill his wife for no reason. But if you really listen to the
> lyrics, he's saying how, yes, he has wanted to kill his wife out of anger,
> but he will never do such a thing since she is still his baby's mother, and
> he holds himself back from doing something stupid. And he never once said
> that he wouldn't let his wife see Hailie. Kim made the choice that she
> didn't want Hailie (He mentions that in the song "My Dad's Gone Crazy"). He
> did however say that he would never let his mother see Hailie in "Cleaning
> Out My Closet", and I don't blame him one bit.
Hits close to home here, so I'm gonna go listen to those titles..
I mean, I've already paid for them, just never stopped to smell that
flower..
{..]</deletia>
> What?! You wanna talk about a rapper that exploits his kid to make money?
> Fucking Master P, once his career was drifting away, his kid Lil Romeo shows
> up and becomes popular with all the 12 year olds. Eminem loves his daughter
> and wanted her to be a part of his new album. Simple as that. If you made
> music and had a kid you really loved, wouldn't you do the same?
Without a doubt..
> > I'm not sure what judge gave him the rights to his daughter,
> > but it's obvious to me Hallie should be with his mother, away from the
> > drugs, violence, and sexual infidelity that Eminem is constantly
> > singing about!
Isn't that something? Conservo-boy hears a simple song, and
already is passing out the 'citations' as to why everyone else
should heed his moralistic calling to order and sanity..
You don't suppose there's even just a hint of "envy" there, no?
Anna Cottonwheel, women's underwear section.
Gods, you've got me doing it now..
<wheezing!>
Gads, these conservo's are utterly anal about what fascinates them..
> Eminem has said that he does not expose Hailie to any sex or drugs (Eminem
> is not really as violent as you may think guy), since he had to grow up
> exposed to that. Kim, on the other hand, is one fucked up bitch and if
> Hailie was with her, she would be exposed to all that. You must remember
> that Eminem sings about stuff that he thinks about, but knows how fucked up
> it is and would never act on it. That's what his Slim Shady persona is all
> about.
Yeah, "free expression" is what it's all about.
'ere..
> > Most importantly Eminem is un-patriotic telling his fans that he is
> > "no friend of Bush" and is set on "ambushing the Bush administration",
> > just like the liberals in America, and those abroad whom I won't
> > mention.
>
> What in holy fuck happened to FREE SPEECH!? Isn't that what America
> supposedly represents? Free speech and free thinking?
Uhnnn, if you'll check out the 'froup-headers, there'll be the clue..
Lush Rimjob and "dr" Liar..
Comments?
> > Eminem is telling his millions of fans to reject an American response
> > to terrorism. His is an enemy of the War on Terror! This misguided
> > rejection of America's war decisions, has happened before with
> > Vietnam, with the War on Communism, we don't need this to happen
> > again. When American's backs are against a wall we shouldn't turn and
> > run to Canada, or burn our draft cards, but defend what makes this
> > country the best in the world!
>
> Just because we're Americans doesn't mean every single person has to believe
> in this country. Eminem obviously doesn't believe in this country, and I'm
> right along with that.
I have my doubts also..
> > And to think that this is the best selling CD in our nation!
>
> Yeah, and one of the very very few top selling CD's that actually deserves
> its spot on top of the charts.
My family liked it better than I did, so there... <LOL!>
> > A spectre is haunting America
No shit?
Break out the "Doom Horn Section" now, is it plot yet?
> > All
> > the Powers of the Liberal Left and the media are converging together
> > to destroy it; to destroy what the Founding Father's set out to
> > create; the greatest nation in the world! These are the reasons I am
> > boycotting Eminem, and I encourage other people who agree with me to
> > do the same! I will be submitting a revised copy of this text to my
> > school newspaper when I return in the fall, and encourage anyone else
> > to do the same, in their own words or in mine.
>
> You should go hang out with Bill O'Reilly you close-minded bitch.
> You two are perfect for each other.
True story..
> BTW, "The Eminem Show" isn't really all that dirty compared to his other 2
> albums. You should check those ones out, hehehe.
Really?? <nod> Yeah, I will..
--Thanks for the UI, 'ere.. And Happy Independence day!!
mme...@steinbeck.ucs.indiana.edu
Sir Zeus <sirz...@yahoo.comREMOVETHIS> wrote:
>
>Then maybe you should really take a listen to his music before opening your
>fucking mouth.
Apparently you didn't actually read what I said.
TortillatheHun
"Sir Zeus" <sirz...@yahoo.comREMOVETHIS> wrote in message
news:uiaahuj...@corp.supernews.com...
>> Backstreet Boys, N Sync, Britney Spears, etc. etc. etc., those are all
> corporate inventions.
Yep, and they all suck.
k
Sir Zeus
hehehe.
> > That shit's funny. Keywords: Wal-Mart, Anna Cottonwheel, women's
underwear
> > section.
>
> Oh man... <wheezing!>
>
> You're a sick man, Sir Zeus.. Keep up the good work..
Hehe, I just thought it was kinda strange. I wonder if he forced Anna
Cottonwheel into the women's underwear section. "You will buy new underwear
Anna Cottonwheel!" Then he went outside Wal-Mart and protested against gay
people.
> > I think Eminem has established himself as much more than just a
> > "shock-rapper". He's a brilliant rapper/artist/producer.
>
> You know, I really didn't care much for 'rap' when my kids
> started listening to it, but you given me pause for that..
I'm not really that hardcore into rap. I've always stayed true to the rock.
But there are definitely some phenomenal rap albums that have been made. To
name a few: Dr. Dre's "The Chronic", Snoop's "Doggystyle", NWA's "Straight
Outta Compton", anything by 2pac from "Me Against the World" and on,
Biggie's "Life After Death", Wu-Tang's "Enter the Wu", and all 3 of Eminem's
albums.
> > > It was only later in the early
> > > morning did I get to listen to the CD, after Anna reluctantly agreed
> > > to go at home (I had to get up early for Church the next day).
> >
> > Ahh okay, a church-going Wal-Mart shopper, I know your kind. And what's
with
> > this?: "after Anna reluctantly agreed to go at home." Go at what? Sex?
Did
> > you pop the Cottonwheel coochie Dan? Hehehe...
>
> <LOL!> Truly sick..
Hehe... The sentence doesn't really make very much sense but here's what I
got out of it: He left Anna Cottonwheel in hopes that he would return and
find that she bought a sexy pair of underwear (cotton underwear perhaps?).
Then he tried talking her into having sex but she was reluctant, saying "No
Dan, that is not the Cottonwheel way."
> <snurck!> 'ere.. Just to calibrate a response here (none needed,btw)
> after being a Crim-head for a few decades, and performing artiste of
> known union-local in the middle of Nowhere, it was difficult to accept
> my children (4 of 'em) listening to rap. The titles/artists you have
> mentioned brought home a realization on this end of the wires..
You didn't grow up with rap, so I kinda can't blame you. Just like your
parents may have been totally against rock and roll. They didn't grow up
with rock and roll so they didn't understand it. And whenever my parents
would overhear me listening to rap, to them I was just listening to hoodlums
promoting sex, drugs, and violence.
Also, you mentioned you were a Crim-head? Do you mean King Crimson?
> Music is about expression, free expression, artistic license, even..
Exactly! Eminem pours his heart out in his songs, and saying that he doesn't
have the right to say what he says in his songs are like saying he doesn't
have the right to think how he thinks. He's expressing himself and he has
every right to do so.
> That said, while I didn't actually approve the purchase of the
> selections you've referred to (above), I find it amusing that
> you've said much what I've heard my hatchlings utter after..
They sound smart. :-)
> That and the "Anna Cottonwheel, women's underwear section" comment,
> which I started yukking it up about immediately, what with the so-called
> 'lily-white conservo-speak' that already has my immediate ire..
Hehe, well I do try to entertain. Ever heard the one about the coked up
prostitute who walks into a children's day care? That's a good one.... :-)
> Isn't that something? Conservo-boy hears a simple song, and
> already is passing out the 'citations' as to why everyone else
> should heed his moralistic calling to order and sanity..
>
> You don't suppose there's even just a hint of "envy" there, no?
No, I think he's just a typical church going Wal-Mart shopper. :-)
> > Just because we're Americans doesn't mean every single person has to
believe
> > in this country. Eminem obviously doesn't believe in this country, and
I'm
> > right along with that.
>
> I have my doubts also..
I have ALOT of doubts. And so do alot of people in this country. Eminem is
just saying what alot of people are thinking.
Sir Zeus
your
> >fucking mouth.
>
> Apparently you didn't actually read what I said.
You didn't really make it clear whether or not you have actually heard an
Eminem CD, or you've just heard his edited singles on the radio.
Sir Zeus
To
> > name a few: Dr. Dre's "The Chronic", Snoop's "Doggystyle", NWA's
"Straight
> > Outta Compton", anything by 2pac from "Me Against the World" and on,
> > Biggie's "Life After Death", Wu-Tang's "Enter the Wu", and all 3 of
Eminem's
> > albums.
>
I also wanna add Too Short's "Shorty the Pimp", one of my all-time
favorites. Bone Thugs' first 2 albums are also pretty good. As for more
recent rap (other than Eminem), Dr. Dre's "Chronic 2001" is really good,
"Stankonia" by Outkast, Nas's new stuff is ok but I like his older stuff
better, and I'm not really a big fan of Jay-Z but I think there are some
decent tracks on his last album, "The Blueprint." There's a song on there
that is especially good called "Renegades" that he collaborates with....yep,
you guessed it, Eminem (Em was also one of the producers on the album).
Also, Eminem's group D-12 came out with their debut album last year,
"Devil's Night." I think a few of them show promise, but for the most part,
they're not very good rappers. But with Eminem being a part of the group and
adding his explosive vocals, and producing the album, and with the catchy
music and the hillarious "shocking" lyrics, I think it's a pretty good
album.
> Mine listened to N'awlin's jazz and 'oompah-music', classical,
> Low-Rents-Whelp and Potter Wagoneer swing/dixieland..
Hehehe, that's pretty funny.
> > Also, you mentioned you were a Crim-head? Do you mean King Crimson?
>
> Yup, from the 'Court' to the 'Vrrrooom!' and "Construction of Light"..
I love King Crimson. "Court of the Crimson King" and "Larks' Tongues..." are
my 2 favorite albums. I've never really been into the stuff they did in the
80's, other than "Discipline" which is an awesome album. I never really
liked any of their stuff in the 90's, but "Construction of Light" surprised
the fuck out of me. IMO, that's their best album since "Discipline."
I'm definitely a sucker for good prog rock.
Andy Howard
--
Circling the parking lot screaming "I don't give a fuck" with my windows
down and my system up.
"Sir Zeus" <sirz...@yahoo.comREMOVETHIS> wrote in message
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Bobby Dean
mme...@steinbeck.ucs.indiana.edu at mme...@steinbeck.ucs.indiana.edu wrote
on 7/4/02 11:34 AM:
> In article <d6cbde24.02070...@posting.google.com>,
> Bobby Dean <roxv...@workmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Which is it? Do you listen or not?
>
> I am not necessarily one of those with a modicum of good taste. I'm
> also often subjected to one of his edited-for-radio songs when I'm
> exercising at the Y.
You said "those of US".
>
>> I disagree. But thanks to folks like Clear Channel and the big six
>> record labels, we can no longer hear the good stuff in the same places
>> we used to. The standard of songwriting hasn't lowered so much as the
>> standards of mass media.
>
> I don't think that we've ever had a time when the best writing of all
> wasn't happening somewhere quietly in the sidelines, only to be
> appreciated by only a few or discovered long after the fact.
Well hell fire...Look at the people YOU cited as great songwriters.
Skynyrd?! Rush?! BILLY JOEL for crissakes!!! The guy's TURDS go platinum.
>I won't
> argue against the notion that the very best stuff is on indie labels
> and not played on the radio. (Though why Eminem, as a corporate
> invention, appeals to you, is even more puzzling now.)
>
>> As you can see, "Stan" is clearly the more complex of the two stories.
>
> Especially when you make a concerted effort to use more words, huh?
Mark I left stuff out (like the meeting in Denver and the reference to the
"In The Air Tonight") because I felt like I was into overkill already.
> If complexity were the measure of art, James Joyce and Henry James
> would be more beloved to readers than John Steinbeck and Mark Twain.
> We'd all much prefer Hans Holbein to Vincent Van Gogh. I don't buy
> it.
You don't have to buy it. But you can not refute its validity. There's is
a time and a place for simplicity and even minimalism. That's why we have
The Cars and AC/DC. But for those times when you want a really intricate
story in an economic frame read "The Old Man And The Sea". Don't have time?
Prefer something a little darker? Listen to some Eminem.
>
>> I recognize Britney Spears and the Backstreet Boys for what they are.
>> Why cloud the discussion by dragging them into it?
>
> Just because, while they differ in "naughtiness level", they're
> still market-researched products of the same machine.
Your not comparing apples to apples here. If I remember correctly, I.U. has
a tremendous school of music. Maybe you should go and ask some of the kids
there to explain Eminem to you. Remember, listening to Dr. Laura does not
constitute research. Try my three listen method. You still may not care
for it but at least you can say you gave it a fair shot. I wager you
wouldn't be so eager to attack the guy for trying to express himself.
mme...@steinbeck.ucs.indiana.edu
Yes, I've heard an entire Eminen CD, thanks to the wonders of
peer-to-peer file sharing.
mme...@steinbeck.ucs.indiana.edu
Bobby Dean <roxv...@workmail.com> wrote:
>
>Well hell fire...Look at the people YOU cited as great songwriters.
>Skynyrd?! Rush?! BILLY JOEL for crissakes!!! The guy's TURDS go platinum.
Yeah, Billy Joel for crissakes. I was still in my postpunk and metal
phase, vowing to hate all pop rock and everything it stood for, yadda
yadda yadda, when I had to admit to myself that the despised Billy
Joel was actually a damn good songwriter.
>Mark I left stuff out (like the meeting in Denver and the reference to the
>"In The Air Tonight") because I felt like I was into overkill already.
You were way beyond overkill.
>You don't have to buy it. But you can not refute its validity. There's is
>a time and a place for simplicity and even minimalism. That's why we have
>The Cars and AC/DC. But for those times when you want a really intricate
>story in an economic frame read "The Old Man And The Sea". Don't have time?
>Prefer something a little darker? Listen to some Eminem.
No, for a really intricate story in an economic frame read _War and
Peace_ or _V._. For a simple -- and short -- story with a wealth of
symbolism and deeper meanings to think about when you're done, read
_The Old Man and the Sea_. It was first published in a single issue
of _Life_ magazine. Were you serious? Bringing up Hemingway supports
the assertion that greater value may often be found in short, simple,
and direct writing than in complex and intricate narratives.
>Your not comparing apples to apples here. If I remember correctly, I.U. has
>a tremendous school of music. Maybe you should go and ask some of the kids
>there to explain Eminem to you. Remember, listening to Dr. Laura does not
>constitute research. Try my three listen method. You still may not care
>for it but at least you can say you gave it a fair shot. I wager you
>wouldn't be so eager to attack the guy for trying to express himself.
Sure, I know some people in the School of Music here. Since the
emergence of this particular pop culture phenomemon, their answer
would be, "I can't." But, y'know, I'll give you a concession here: as
I didn't give Mr. M&M *three* listens as opposed to just one, I'll
give him another two tries. Yes, honestly.
BTW, I don't listen to Dr. Laura, whom I dislike intensely, unless I
happen to be in the car and the station happens to be there. I just
bicker in her newsgroup. I'm only in this massively crossposted
thread because I thought it would be fun to take up the trollbait.
(And if the original troller is still out there somewhere, I salute
you.)
Bobby Dean
mme...@steinbeck.ucs.indiana.edu at mme...@steinbeck.ucs.indiana.edu wrote
on 7/5/02 9:39 AM:
> In article <B94B17CB.3CEF%roxv...@workmail.com>,
> Bobby Dean <roxv...@workmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Well hell fire...Look at the people YOU cited as great songwriters.
>> Skynyrd?! Rush?! BILLY JOEL for crissakes!!! The guy's TURDS go platinum.
>
> Yeah, Billy Joel for crissakes. I was still in my postpunk and metal
> phase, vowing to hate all pop rock and everything it stood for, yadda
> yadda yadda, when I had to admit to myself that the despised Billy
> Joel was actually a damn good songwriter.
That's the same kind of turn around you could possibly have with Eminem. I
don't understand the logic behind vowing to hate a specific genre of music
because you're in some "phase".
>
>> Mark I left stuff out (like the meeting in Denver and the reference to the
>> "In The Air Tonight") because I felt like I was into overkill already.
>
> You were way beyond overkill.
It's easy to do when you're comparing Eminem to Ronnie Van Zandt.
>> You don't have to buy it. But you can not refute its validity. There's is
>> a time and a place for simplicity and even minimalism. That's why we have
>> The Cars and AC/DC. But for those times when you want a really intricate
>> story in an economic frame read "The Old Man And The Sea". Don't have time?
>> Prefer something a little darker? Listen to some Eminem.
>
> No, for a really intricate story in an economic frame read _War and
> Peace_ or _V._. For a simple -- and short -- story with a wealth of
> symbolism and deeper meanings to think about when you're done, read
> _The Old Man and the Sea_. It was first published in a single issue
> of _Life_ magazine. Were you serious? Bringing up Hemingway supports
> the assertion that greater value may often be found in short, simple,
> and direct writing than in complex and intricate narratives.
Maybe that wasn't the best example. I must admit I've never read any kind
of analysis of "The Old Man And The Sea" or studied it in a classroom
setting; I've only read the book. To me it packs a pretty big punch for
being such a small book. But hey- we're not in alt.books or
alt.fan.hemingway.
>
>> Your not comparing apples to apples here. If I remember correctly, I.U. has
>> a tremendous school of music. Maybe you should go and ask some of the kids
>> there to explain Eminem to you. Remember, listening to Dr. Laura does not
>> constitute research. Try my three listen method. You still may not care
>> for it but at least you can say you gave it a fair shot. I wager you
>> wouldn't be so eager to attack the guy for trying to express himself.
>
> Sure, I know some people in the School of Music here. Since the
> emergence of this particular pop culture phenomemon, their answer
> would be, "I can't."
There you go again assuming you know what someone will say but not actually
giving them a listen.
>But, y'know, I'll give you a concession here: as
> I didn't give Mr. M&M *three* listens as opposed to just one, I'll
> give him another two tries. Yes, honestly.
That's the spirit! I hope you like it but if you don't at least you can say
you've heard it.
>
> BTW, I don't listen to Dr. Laura, whom I dislike intensely, unless I
> happen to be in the car and the station happens to be there.
Hey! At least we agree on something. I think she's a self righteous cunt.
I do like some of her naked pictures however. Especially the one with the
pigtails. She doesn't look like that anymore though. Now she's just a
dried up old douche bag. Still, I bet it was fun rolling around that hotel
room with her while she was married. What do you suppose they were
listening to? Probably Abba or some kind of shit. Or worse yet that
atrocious Patti LaBelle theme song of hers.
--
Bobby Dean
Time flies like an arrow; but fruit flies like a banana.
-Marx
Sir Zeus
> Skynyrd?! Rush?! BILLY JOEL for crissakes!!! The guy's TURDS go
platinum.
Lynyrd Skynyrd and Rush have put out some good music (especially Rush) but
the songwriting in both bands aren't very good. And Billy Joel has had a few
good songs ("Piano Man" anyone?) but I definitely wouldn't call the guy a
good songwriter.
> You don't have to buy it. But you can not refute its validity. There's
is
> a time and a place for simplicity and even minimalism. That's why we have
> The Cars and AC/DC. But for those times when you want a really intricate
> story in an economic frame read "The Old Man And The Sea". Don't have
time?
> Prefer something a little darker? Listen to some Eminem.
Well put...
> Your not comparing apples to apples here. If I remember correctly, I.U.
has
> a tremendous school of music. Maybe you should go and ask some of the
kids
> there to explain Eminem to you. Remember, listening to Dr. Laura does not
> constitute research. Try my three listen method. You still may not care
> for it but at least you can say you gave it a fair shot. I wager you
> wouldn't be so eager to attack the guy for trying to express himself.
I totally agree with your "3 listen method" (although there are some stuff
of course that you know right away is pretty bad, like any boy/girl band). I
didn't really like Eminem when he first came out (especially when his first
single, "My Name Is", came out. I hated that song). But I gave his album a
chance and ended up really liking it.
BSE or Merv Yaboddi
Can people stop cross posting this to rec.music.hip-hop and alt.rap cos
its cos kris Kirstoffersen in it and it makes me feel dirty.
Thanks chappies,
Bobby Dean
sirz...@yahoo.comREMOVETHIS wrote on 7/5/02 12:07 PM:
>
> I totally agree with your "3 listen method" (although there are some stuff
> of course that you know right away is pretty bad, like any boy/girl band).
That's true but you usually end up hearing their stuff more than three times
whether you want to or not.
>I
> didn't really like Eminem when he first came out (especially when his first
> single, "My Name Is", came out. I hated that song). But I gave his album a
> chance and ended up really liking it.
>
>
Me too. I was REAL slow coming around to Eminem. But once I did, I
couldn't get enough. I honestly think he'll outgrow this rap stuff and go on
to be a pretty decent writer. Maybe not but it would be a shame if he
didn't.
mme...@steinbeck.ucs.indiana.edu
Bobby Dean <roxv...@workmail.com> wrote:
>
>That's the same kind of turn around you could possibly have with Eminem. I
>don't understand the logic behind vowing to hate a specific genre of music
>because you're in some "phase".
Because I was 14 at the time and 14-year-olds are uniformly morons?
>Hey! At least we agree on something. I think she's a self righteous cunt.
>I do like some of her naked pictures however. Especially the one with the
>pigtails. She doesn't look like that anymore though. Now she's just a
>dried up old douche bag. Still, I bet it was fun rolling around that hotel
>room with her while she was married. What do you suppose they were
>listening to? Probably Abba or some kind of shit. Or worse yet that
>atrocious Patti LaBelle theme song of hers.
Too skinny for my tastes.
I'll report again later.
Sir Zeus
stuff
> > of course that you know right away is pretty bad, like any boy/girl
band).
>
> That's true but you usually end up hearing their stuff more than three
times
> whether you want to or not.
Yeah, unfortunately that shit is everywhere.
> >I
> > didn't really like Eminem when he first came out (especially when his
first
> > single, "My Name Is", came out. I hated that song). But I gave his album
a
> > chance and ended up really liking it.
> Me too. I was REAL slow coming around to Eminem. But once I did, I
> couldn't get enough.
It didn't take me too awfully long to come around, since I got into him
before "The Marshall Mathers LP" came out. I noticed alot of people came
around once that album came out.
But when Em first came out, I admit that I was one of the ignorant people
that judged him by one song I heard on the radio ("My Name Is"). I even
remember seeing him on TV for the first time and saying "Oh great, another
Vanilla Ice." It's pretty funny to think back to when I said shit like that
because I'm such a big fan of his now.
> I honestly think he'll outgrow this rap stuff and go on
> to be a pretty decent writer. Maybe not but it would be a shame if he
> didn't.
I doubt he'll ever completely give up rap because it's the kind of music
that he grew up with and has alot of respect for. I'm sure he'll go on to
other things since he has so much talent, but I can't see him ever totally
leaving the rap game.
I bet he'll take up acting more. Curtis Hanson, director of "L.A.
Confidential" and Em's upcoming movie "8 Mile", said recently in an
interview that if the music industry were to fall to pieces tomorrow, Eminem
wouldn't have to worry cuz he'd still be able to carry on a successful
career in the movie industry. He went on to say that Eminem is an
extraordinary actor, and I'm not surprised. You can tell in his songs and
the way he conveys his emotions that acting would be a sinch for him.
Sir Zeus
I
> >don't understand the logic behind vowing to hate a specific genre of
music
> >because you're in some "phase".
>
> Because I was 14 at the time and 14-year-olds are uniformly morons?
Hehehe, well that is true...
~~~1 True Fact-- EMINEM RULES~~~
BIG LOU
I respect your views , and your right we do live in the best place on
earth . But freedom of speach just watch what you say dosent sound right
to me . Hes making a living , if you dont want to help him do that then
dont buy the cd. dont let your kids listen to him . Its up to you
If you really want to change the world try boycotting some real issues
like the treatment of homeless people or animals . Dont waste your time
and energy on something so useless as this . Eminem exist because people
think like him or they view it as entertainment .I get the joke but i
guess you dont .
LIGHTEN UP
big lou P.S.
dont bother to respond unless its positive ! im not going to verbaly
spar with you thanks
~~~1 True Fact-- EMINEM RULES~~~
AquamanBAV
>Daniel Gunn.
>
This is really mr. marshall mathers right???
Erik Martin
> cocaine! The CD itself is littered with references to his wife and
> how he wants to kill her and keep her away from seeing Hallie. In the
> song where his daughter Hallie provides part of the chorus, the lyrics
> are horrible:
Sure, it's true that lyrics to this song are obscene, and it's
somewhat disturbing to hear a little girl having a part in the song,
and I'm sure that's part of the idea behind it.
> This is absolutely horrible language, and content, for a little girl
> to be hearing, and is a horrible way to exploit your children to make
> money.
This, however, is just prejudice and it's also talking about things
you know nothing about. There's no reason to believe that hailie has
heard a single word of this song other than the ones she sings, and
there's nothing offensive about the words she sings. On the contrary,
the only evidence suggests she did not, judging from the lyric at the
end of the song, "I don't blame you, I wouldn't let Hailie listen to
me neither".
> I'm not sure what judge gave him the rights to his daughter,
> but it's obvious to me Hallie should be with his mother, away from the
> drugs, violence, and sexual infidelity that Eminem is constantly
> singing about!
Again you're talking about things you are completely ignorant of.
That is foolish behavior. You know virtually nothing of the
environment that Em is providing for her, nor that which her mother
was providing for her.
> Most importantly Eminem is un-patriotic telling his fans that he is
> "no friend of Bush" and is set on "ambushing the Bush administration",
> just like the liberals in America, and those abroad whom I won't
> mention. What he had to say next was even more shocking:
>
> "All this terror America demands action,
> Next thing you know you've got Uncle Sam's ass askin'
> To join the army or what you'll do for there Navy.
> You just a baby,
> Gettin' recruited at eighteen,
> You're on a plane now,
> Eatin their food and their baked beans.
> I'm 28 ,
> They gon take you 'fore they take me
> Crazy insane or insane crazy?"
>
> Eminem is telling his millions of fans to reject an American response
> to terrorism. His is an enemy of the War on Terror!
Are you insane? This crap you're spewing that America and patriotism
is about the absence of dissension, is about the most unpatriotic and
unamerican thing you could say, and far more unpatriotic and
unamerican than anything Em says on this albumn. And what are you
flipping out about, he's just saying -- in his own style -- "Hey, you
could end up getting drafted because of all this crap... think about
it." Or maybe it's his style that you think is unamerican. So you're
either insane or fascist.
I think Bush is awesome, and I think he's handling the terrorist
situation in pretty much the right way. I'm a conservative
Republican. I almost joined US Marine Corps Office Training a few
years ago. But if this situation is going to turn us all into a bunch
of fascists, then forget the whole thing -- there's no America left to
protect!
Erik
Hawkster
<tim...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>Reuben King <reube...@yahoo.com> posted:
>
>> In alt.music.eminem, Erik Martin wrote (article ID
>
>>> I think Bush is awesome, and I think he's handling the
>>> terrorist situation in pretty much the right way. I'm a
>>> conservative Republican. I almost joined US Marine Corps
>>> Office Training a few years ago. But if this situation is
>>> going to turn us all into a bunch of fascists, then forget
>>> the whole thing -- there's no America left to protect!
>>
>> USMC Office Training, eh? Wow and you ALMOST did it.
>> That's pretty impressive. Do you have a big penis?
>
>No, but he has a really really big Dodge Ram truck.
>
>> Meanwhile I was THERE in Desert Storm. Twelve confirmed
>> kills, baby.
>
>Were any of them the enemy?
>
..and if so, which enemy?
Hawkster
With friends like ours....
>
>--
>"There ought to be limits to freedom."
> --GW Bush
>Tim
>http://member.newsguy.com/~satire/
mme...@steinbeck.ucs.indiana.edu
Reuben King <reube...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>Meanwhile I was THERE in Desert Storm. Twelve confirmed kills, baby.
And that's something to be proud of? Something that was regretfully
necessary, perhaps -- but taking a life is really something to
celebrate for you?
Clave
message news:Xns9249DA7655...@216.168.3.40...
> mme...@steinbeck.ucs.indiana.edu posted:
>
> Reuben King <reube...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >Meanwhile I was THERE in Desert Storm. Twelve confirmed
> >kills, baby.
>
Pervert.
Jim
Zolgius
~~~1 True Fact-- EMINEM RULES~~~ wrote:
ok,down to the ponit here people eminem said in a interview that the
only thing that will keep him from rapping or writing is if he dies that
isn't happening time soo so you can bet your ass he'll have plenty of
mre shoking stuf for us to hear i myself can't wait haterz will dread it
but i don't give a fuck~
B o b b y
Louis Goetz
what is great about America, we have the freedom of speech, so we can say
whatever the fuck we want to. That is what Eminem chooses to do. I mean yo
go ahead and stop listenin to him. But I mean it's people like you who have
the problems. You obviously don't understand what Eminem is rappin about and
shit, you don't understand what is true and what is total bull shit, you
don't understand why the fuck he says what he says. I mean if you were a
true Em fan or even if you just took the time to listen to the lyrics you
would know and totally understand everything. I mean am I right or what??
OK so yeah in Hailies Song it was a little wierd having her walking in on
him snorting coke, but you know that is Eminem. I mean I ain't gonna stop
listening to that song or that cd or even him just cause of that. Actually I
love that song! I mean that's actually one of my favorite songs. I mean come
on! His daughter hear this shit he raps about all the time...I mean I think
he had it under control of what he is doing. I mean honestly I don't think
his daughter is gonna grow up to be some drug addict whore who gets shit
faced all the time or anything just cause of what he raps. I mean I am sure
he is a very responsible adult and he would never want his daughter to think
of his dad as just some druggie or anything...it doesn't make him a bad
father for that. Personally I took it as a joke, it was funny. I mean why
would it have to be true. Take it is a joke man. Marshall is probably a
great father, but you need to understand that his life was so horrible for
him growing up that he raps about it now. He realizes he has the talent of
rapping the way he does so he lets out all his anger by rapping to us. He
was pissed off at everyone as he was growing up so now it's his chance to
piss off the world, ley off some steam. I mean why does he do all the shit
he does, why does he put Hailie in a song with his doin coke, why does he
talk about killing his ex wife, why, why, why? Why the fuck else...cuz he
can! I mean you make it seem like it's the end of the world and everybody
has gone mad from listening to him. There is a reason for all this.
As for Hailie sticking with her mom...what makes you think that would be a
better idea? I mean think about this...she pretty much lived with Em since
she was like 13. The grew up together, they were like as close as close
could get, right? Well what makes you think Kim is any better that Em?!? I
mean shit she could be exactly what Eminem is like to you. I mean why
wouldn't she be? I mean she only grew up with him! If Em does drugs all the
time, don't you think she does too? He has every right to says what he says.
Yeah he may say he wants to kill her, but come on you really thinks he has
the balls to do it. I mean you make it seem like he's the first guy to sing
the shit he sings about. I mean come on there were tons before him, he just
happens to alot more famous then all them.
Well I will just end this by saying that what Em says or does is his choice
and maybe your being a little to hard on him for that and you should rethink
what you said because there is a reason for everything he says or does and
until you know what those reasons are you shouldn't be judging him by what
you don't even know.
~*~ Stacie ~*~
"Erik Martin" <erikm...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b7159ea1.02071...@posting.google.com...
B o b b y
Hawkster
wrote:
>In alt.music.eminem, Hawkster wrote (article ID <3d2f8ce2.26259278
>@news.earthlink.net>):
>I am not at liberty to discuss operational details.
>
Oh, the possibilities....
1. You are not at liberty -- period.
2. Gee, Sgt. King -- did you ever get Pvt. Stockdale classiifed?
3. You simply mistook ARTD-L (amongst others) for DC Comics -- "Sgt.
Rock's Star-Spangled War Stories" is over thataway...
4. 'Tis the season... Tropical Storm King, meet Typhoon Kilgore.
5. Gadzooks! It's Cmdr. Ruben "Kong" King of the Iraqi Air Force!
6. OK, OK, how about.... Ruben King, Space Cadet?
7. Sad Sack? Beetle Bailey? Francis the Talking Mule?
Hawkster
I'd better desist before giving away a Military Seekrit...
Heywood Jablome
>I am not at liberty to discuss operational details.
>
This is what people who lie about their military service say when they are
backed into a corner and run out of stories to invent.
David (not giving you freaks my last name)
(ex MM2(SS), Nuc 8605, USS Buffalo)
US Navy 1984-1987
B o b b y
B o b b y
Jim Nihil
>What exactly IS a soldier?
A soldier in the armed forces is a brainwashed non-thinking twat.
Kill for god. Kill for George Bush.
it makes me sick......
Kill for oil....kill for the U.S.A
===================================
Jim Nihil
[http://www.syrynge.8m.com]
And the angels wouldn't help you...
because they've all gone away- Laura Palmer...Twin Peaks:Fire Walk With Me
Jim Nihil
>for military power to protect just about everything YOU take for
>granted.
>
>I will not waste my time trying to explain it to you.
I am 22 and have a degree in politcial science. Don't give me your "this is
just left wing rhetoric" type of bullshit that all of you ameri-fascists try to
shoot down any opposing viewpoint with. Fuck war mongering.
Fuck modern AMERICAN CULTURE
Fucking republicans
Jim Nihil
>for military power to protect just about everything YOU take for
>granted.
Also...that statement in itself implies that you KNOW that this "war on terror"
is a cover to get into a better position to get cheaper oil.
You make me laugh with your pro-american zombie mentallity.
I am not anti-america....i'm anti-american government and modern braindead
media blinded american culture.
It's not your fault that you believe the lies. I blame the T.V sets that you
have watched since birth that have engraved all of these false ideals into your
weak little mind.
You just happen to not be able to think for yourself......if i were to hold
that against you i would be discriminating against the mentally handicapped.
Erik Martin
>> terrorist situation in pretty much the right way. I'm a
>> conservative Republican. I almost joined US Marine Corps
>> Office Training a few years ago. But if this situation is
>> going to turn us all into a bunch of fascists, then forget
>> the whole thing -- there's no America left to protect!
>
> USMC Office Training, eh? Wow and you ALMOST did it.
> That's pretty impressive.
I never said it was impressive. I would have loved to join, but poor
health kept me from being able to get in propper shape before my 31st
birthday.
> Do you have a big penis?
I'm not at liberty to discuss operational details of my penis with
individuals of the male persuasion showing an unusual interest in it.
> Meanwhile I was THERE in Desert Storm. Twelve confirmed
> kills, baby.
Umm dude... just because you were swabbing the deck just before they
launched the cruise missle, I don't think that counts as "kills" for
you.
Jason Gortician
news:b7159ea1.02071...@posting.google.com:
All military suck dick, and have no place in real hip-hop. Fuckheads.
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Dave Paget
was Gortican
Duncan Idaho
news:3D381130...@sunderland.ac.uk:
> Sorry is it Gortican? cos you have Gortician there... I always thought
it
> was Gortican
>
Heh. I get some crazy spellings of the band. I realize you're not all up
on the metal underground stuff. You might need to hear 'Death Trip' and
'MINDERASER'. MINDERASER is a Gortician electronic noise remix. Really
good and insane.
> Jason Gortician wrote:
>
>> erikm...@hotmail.com (Erik Martin) wrote in
>> news:b7159ea1.02071...@posting.google.com:
>>
>> > Reuben King <reube...@yahoo.com> posted:
>> >> In alt.music.emi
>
>
I should explain. I have been High-C the MC since 1988. I met Gortician
(Gory Mortician?) in 86 or so. But I didn't become their drummer until
1996 or so. Previous to that, I hung out and got high. But we did 'Death
Trip' in 1990 together, me and the bassist rapping, with Slayereque
guitar over it. Their first song, actually. So, Gortician is
death/grindcore, but I am High-C of Gortician, or Jason Gortician, as
Rich of Brutal Truth once dubbed me.
<Paul Harvey>Rest of the Story</PH>
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Studio CD Coming This Fall!
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Still the best Old School Thrash/Death
Launched in 1948, today Hi-C is the world's largest brand of vitamin-
fortified fruit drinks, and the fifth largest-selling trademark of The
Coca-Cola Company.
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